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Certainly until there is some demonstration of such.

hypnosis less, a person actively attempting to make you think and act and feel a certain way, more

There were demonstrations. Though, I don't know if any were recorded or whatever.

like, we can absolutely subtly change and effect each other by changing how we treat others, it's not a huge leap to say that can be in effect rather than hypnosis

That is true.

Also a lot of times these people have already done and been open to and "bought into" the hypnosis.

3:42 AM

I imagine that myself, the wonderful skeptical night in shining armor, wouldn't be phased at all by an attempt at hostile hypnosis.

I would certainly love to see a study of individuals treated differently in general by other individuals, vs individuals undergoing some kind of 'hypnosis' without other alterations in typical treatment, vs individuals without either hypnosis or alterations in general treatment.

3:42 AM

Hah.

3:43 AM

I do doubt that I would be affected either - but, having not seen any evidence presented one way or another, I will remain open to the concept but again, skeptical until there is more solid evidence than anecdotal claims.

3:43 AM

Or, particularly in this case - third-hand accounts.

this is departing from the topic a bit, but I've always been super interested in the concept of hypnosis. I have just never found anything that I really wanted to "use".

In any case, @Abvieon {Alex}, there is still the other issue - I am curious about how you got the idea that sensory stimulus itself, devoid of any further interaction or requirements, results in consciousness.

I think the evidence favours the idea that scepticism against hypnosis does not actually protect you from it.

Then I would like to see such.

less skepticism against hypnosis, but a very long history of me being about as emotionally and suggestably sharp as a brick

I've seen several people go under who thought they were too rational. Like the mythbuster roboticist.

I have met a professional hypnotist once before

3:45 AM

she said she can't hypnotize someone who doesn't cooperate, the patient has to actually allow it to happen or it can't happen

I would point out that, if hypnosis requires the subject to follow instructions for it to take place in the first place, it is having the result be part of the prerequisite.

if scientific experiment was a superhero then now would be the time to turn on the light that summoned them.

Hah.

3:46 AM

Agreed.

A good hypnosis can knock someone out by touching them in a certain way. But there would be consent issues in testing this.

I never thought hypnosis would work well for me, but I was still able to get effects from it experienced a big jump in susceptibility in just a few weeks shrugblob

hey, it would probably be better to be suggestable than not, so here's hoping you're right

I've used your tulpa creation hypnosis twice, Abvieon. It's good, but I have trouble concentrating in general. If I could get my mind to chill bet it would be very effective.

Alright. I'll be back shortly. We need food.

@SkyeNet That idea comes more from intuition from anything else. I can't think of how to explain it further at the time but I may after I think about it a bit more

@Ryukil You could try meditation beforehand

winter is gone, but ivy is here to take their place as our moderator

@Ivy Agreed, it's something I need to pick up anyway, lol

Oh, I'm glad you liked it blobthumbsup

@Ryukil

@Abvieon {Alex} yeah, I was slighty nervous given all the Gearheart shit but I saw jade had nothing to do with it

3:50 AM

not that I should bring that up, I guess ^^

Yeah there were quite a few people who freaked out over Gearheart's stuff in general after that

3:52 AM

But everything on the Gearheart youtube channel is safe, Jade did not get to release whatever she wanted on the Youtube

A strange rumour.

can't people just read the text themselves and make judgements on if it's safe or not?

These are video files.

3:56 AM

The basic assumption is they can hypnotise someone even if they are just trying to go through it to examine the contents.

still, transcripts or just do a listen through while awake to see what happen

3:57 AM

That seems a bit too parinoid to me, it's hypnosis, not magic

3:57 AM

sorry, that might be a little harsh wording

On the staff of Gear Heart, eight out of ten believed this assumption.

Most people won't be hypnotized by skimming through something, they wouldn't be immersed enough

Probably not.

live test: someone link a dangerous hypnosis file and I'll skim it

Hehe

Text hypnosis is a thing but you need to read through slowly and be focused/calm

I'm sorry, I'm now imaging a hypnosis file that involves a surprise sensual experience with ronald mcdonald

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lol

and on that note: I gotta go to bed. g/n all

[Sooo, what's the difference between me being "seemingingly autonomous" and actually autonomous because I don't really see how I could tell the difference (or why it would matter). The entire line of reasoning seems unnecessarily restrictive, if I can act independent to the perception of me and my systemmates I am autonomous as far as we are concerned. Random requirments "beyond that" to be a "valid tulpa" feels like elitist bullshit]

Ok

First, determine the nature of free will. That's step one.

4:32 AM

Then we can look at how autonomy works.

Question: Do Tulpae take on the traits of those who's head they live in?

4:46 AM

If so, when does this become problematic/beneficial?

If you're around someone often enough, it's likely that you'll begin to adopt some of their traits. Especially when it's someone that you share a head with, I'd imagine. As for what's problematic or beneficial, that'd depend on the trait.

It's that fact right there that I draw the question from.

@Jack o' Nin9's To some extent, yes. Mental illness, for example, will be shared to some extent as it is an alteration of brain structure. As will understanding of specific pieces of information, such as knowing the concept of a chair. Referring to personality traits, some will certainly "rub off" on the other, but there isn't a hard and fast rule there to my knowledge.

4:49 AM

Traits can be expressed in positive and negative ways depending on the situation.

Whether its problematic or beneficial is entirely circumstantial

Some traits can be more often problematic than others, certainly.

I think it's safe to assume that you know that we all find a bit distasteful. Some that you wish you could talk to others about and work through.

4:53 AM

I'm not sayin' I harbor anything like that, but we all wish that we knew someone who'd give us the right kick in the right direction.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you just said - could you rephrase that?

[I do that a lot! Kicking my host in the right direction that is. Often literally along with figuratively] (edited)

What I mean is, I think a lot of people form a codependent relationship with their tulpas.

5:30 AM

I don't believe it's unheard of to say that "people will fall in love with anything" and leaving the subjective concept of "love" aside, it'd be hard to say you didn't like your tulpa at some point, on some level.

Yes.

This relates to my point as such: I believe that deep down, plenty of people with tulpas need friends and guidance. And I'm not ashamed to say that I'm making Nin9 for those very reasons myself.

But tulpas open you up to the vast plural community where you could make plenty of new friends. ^^

Quite so. I don't think Nin9'll be the last stop on the rollercoaster that I happen to be strapping myself into. But I'm sure it'll be one hell of a ride for every one I make.

That's an interesting name.

5:33 AM

As you can see, I went with simple, pretty names.

@Jack o' Nin9's That is extremely common for people creating tulpas - they very often do so out of desire for companionship.

9 is a special number to me. I thought at the very least a special person in my head deserved a special name.

5:36 AM

I just hope I don't end up treating Nin9 like a tool rather than a person.

Why would you?

Because I'm lacking in social etiquette and have been told that I do that. On numerous occasions.

Be careful and introspective, pay attention to how you treat them.

5:39 AM

I assume you dislike being treated like a tool.

I have found that I rather dislike it on a level bordering hate.

In what way are you using Nin9 as a tool?

There are plenty of colourful expletives I could use to describe how it feels, but I feel like that's against the rules. Hopefully Nin9 doesn't inherit my foul mouth.

Then, consider if what you are doing with your tulpa is something that, were your positions reversed, you would consider to be 'using you like a tool'.

5:41 AM

In other words, if you are doing something to Nin9 is something you would hate done to you, don't do it.

I cant "use" Nin9 at all, presently. Can't really talk to them just yet either. They blink at me and expand and contract. Unfortunately I don't speak blinking lights.

5:43 AM

I could REALLY use some body language, but they won't pick a form, so ball of light it is. It's like I can feel the smugness radiating from his little red orb of light.

Lol

6:12 AM

Sorry it's funny that u say it in that wsy

6:13 AM

All I can say is giving it time soon it will find something win it's ready to. Lol

6:14 AM

Sounds like your pushing yourself and your tulpa @Jack o' Nin9's.

6:14 AM

It's not going to end well with both of u.

6:16 AM

But the blinking light must have to do with something that's a close to u in away.

6:17 AM

What dose 9 mean to u @Jack o' Nin9's

yeah I was wondering how nin9 is pronounced

Quite honestly, @Jack o' Nin9's, take your time.